The disturbing white paper Red Hat is trying to erase from the internet (osnews.com)

140 points by choult 4 hours ago

39 comments:

by homeslice69 an hour ago

>The focus should be on national defense, aid during disasters, and responding to the legitimate requests of sovereign, democratic nations to come to their defense (e.g. helping Ukraine fight off the Russian invasion).

Carving out the particular military engagements your company deems less than justified sounds nice but isn't workable in practice. You have to swallow the whole pill if you want to sell to the DoD.

by nickdothutton 3 hours ago

Better to have smart bombs than dumb ones. Or rather, better to have 1 smart bomb than 1000 dumb ones spread across an entire city in order to pick off the particular building, vehicle, or person you want.

by Qem 3 hours ago

Specially AI Hallucination bombs, that hit a park named "Police Park", because it thinks it's killing policemen[1], or a children school with Shahed in the name[2], because it thinks It has something to do with drones.

[1] https://x.com/MarioNawfal/status/2029575052535173364

[2] https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/3/6/elementary-school-in...

by eqvinox 2 hours ago

There's also a chasm of (non-)accountability.

You or your subordinates target an elementary school: that's a war crime.

Your "battlefield AI" targets an elementary school: software bug, it happens, can't be helped.

by thayne 2 hours ago

This isn't even that new. Part of the motivation for building autonomous nuclear response programs during the cold war was specifically to remove accountability, and guilt, from human operators. But AI does bring it to a new level.

by Uhhrrr an hour ago

The software is never accountable, so the human running it is always accountable.

by john_strinlai 40 minutes ago

that is how it should be, not how it is.

by breppp 2 hours ago

Your links talk about the places that were bombed, but I don't see anything apart for conjecture that this was the product of AI targeting.

Also this is a vast underestimate of the ability of organizations that were able to locate most of Iranian leadership throughout the war in their hiding places, but suddenly their Farsi is so bad they need a twitter account to tell them this is a Park

by nomel an hour ago

It's a popular conspiracy theory, without evidence, and without any perspective on any information that intelligence had. Using civilians as shields is well documented/known for Iranian military and groups they sponsor. For example, hospitals [1].

Shitty, but possibly a valid military target.

[1] https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/8666/yemen-human-shields

by text0404 a minute ago

> Gatestone Institute is an American far-right think tank known for publishing anti-Muslim articles.

> The organization has attracted attention for publishing false or inaccurate articles, some of which were shared widely.

> The Gatestone Institute has been frequently described as anti-Muslim, regularly publishes false reports to stoke anti-Muslim fears, and has published false stories pertaining to Muslims and Islam.

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatestone_Institute

by Legend2440 an hour ago

This has nothing to do with AI, the school got hit because it was directly next door to a military base.

by Qem 30 minutes ago

You're mistaking it for Shajareh Tayyebeh Elementary School[1], double tapped with tomahawks in the opening salvo of the war. That was another school, hit later. There was multiple schools attacked.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Minab_school_attack

by jancsika 3 hours ago

Channeling my inner Socrates:

You want consensus from non-experts for a plan to use 20 smart bombs.

Your opponent wants consensus for a plan to live-stream a demo of 1 smart bomb, and then use 19 dumb ones.

Your team has more expertise.

Your opponent's plan saves enough money to buy a better PR team than yours, and is still more cost effective than your plan.

Who wins?

by whoahwio 2 hours ago

That “smart” vs “dumb” distinction doesn’t apply here though. What is discussed has nothing to do with the ability to physically land a bomb in a precise location, that problem seems to be solved reasonably well already. “Smart” in this case has more to do with using ML/LLM to select a target.

by anigbrowl 2 hours ago

You can rationalize anything by only considering the upside relative to alternatives' downsides.

by HeavyStorm 3 hours ago

You might be right, but that's terrible

by DonHopkins 2 hours ago

Smart bombs are no good if they are directed by a dumb AI targeting system, a dumb alcoholic accelerationist religious fanatic Secretary of War, or a dumb narcissistic genocidal pedophile President.

by lostlogin 2 hours ago

There is one more layer - America voted for this.

by shwaj an hour ago

In fact, it didn’t. Trump continued to make “no new wars” a plank of his platform.

Some of his base will follow wherever he goes, but he would not have been elected without those who supported him on the basis of this (broken) promise.

by Qem 3 hours ago

> With that in mind, it seems Red Hat, owned by IBM, is desperately trying to scrub a certain white paper from the internet. Titled “Compress the kill cycle with Red Hat Device Edge”, the 2024 white paper details how Red Hat’s products and technologies can make it easier and faster to, well, kill people.

It appears IBM learned no lessons after WWII: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust

That book will need a sequel soon.

by ThrowawayR2 2 hours ago

IBM suffered no consequences for any of that so there were no lessons to learn. IBM dominated the computer industry from the 1960s-1980s ("Nobody ever got fired for buying IBM") and was a more brutal monopolist than any of the FANGAM corporations.

by Modified3019 3 hours ago

Ah, now I see where they got the name: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redcap

by bpavuk 2 hours ago

who let the Streisand effect out of its cage!?

by 1317 3 hours ago

"I give permission to IBM, its customers, partners, and minions, to use JSLint for evil."

by localuser13 2 hours ago

I chuckled. This is, in fact, actual quote, see[1] for explanation.

[1] https://gist.github.com/kemitchell/fdc179d60dc88f0c9b76e5d38...

by DonHopkins 2 hours ago

In evil mode it indents by mixing tabs and spaces.

by neilv 2 hours ago

Besides external PR, does anyone know how this affects internal morale?

Some of the earlier Red Hat people I knew would not be OK with working on weapons systems even under the most legitimate circumstances. And they'd be much more opposed to collaborating with fascist regimes. And I think horrified by the idea of shoveling AI slop and grifter hype into life&death decisions.

Of course the tech industry makeup has changed (overall culture transitioning from hacker idealists, to finance bros), and some IBM-ification of Red Hat has has also happened. But I'd like to think Red Hat still attracts a more principled pool of talent than FAANG.

by RickJWagner 27 minutes ago

Former Red Hatter here.

People who use terms like ‘fascist regime’ don’t get consideration. That’s like someone on the other side referring to ‘unprincipled savages’.

Name calling just doesn’t win. Maybe it makes the name caller feel better, but it loses the audience.

by tastyface 17 minutes ago

No, the world should be described as it is without consideration of what pearls will be clutched.

by philipwhiuk 2 hours ago

I dunno that 'removes from their website' is sufficient for 'trying to erase from the Internet'

Can we rename this "RedHat removes paper from website on using their software to 'shrink the kill-chain'"

by HumanOstrich 2 hours ago

They still might pull an Anthropic move and send a C&D or DMCA to archive.org.

by frumplestlatz an hour ago

> With things like the genocide in Gaza ...

Population: ~2,050,000

Density: 15,455.8/sq mi

Words have meaning, and their emotional force derives from that meaning. The knowing misuse of a term like “genocide” for its emotional force is manipulative sophistry.

by yomismoaqui 2 hours ago

So the hat is red because of all that blood?

by gameofliferetro 2 hours ago

Was this written by an Iranian propaganda machine?

by anigbrowl 2 hours ago

How could it be? The US has won the war against them many times over, to the point that they no longer exist.

by SoftTalker 2 hours ago

> I don’t think there’s something inherently wrong with working together with your nation’s military or defense companies, but that all hinges on what, exactly, said military is doing and how those defense companies’ products are being used. The focus should be on national defense, aid during disasters, and responding to the legitimate requests of sovereign, democratic nations to come to their defense

The core purpose of a military is to destroy things and kill people, and the world is controlled by the people who can do that better than others. You can put all the "defense" and "disaster aid" lipstick on that you like but that doesn't change what they train for and what their real purpose is.

by tjwebbnorfolk 2 hours ago

> and the world is controlled by the people who can do that better than others

Yes, welcome to Earth.

There's absolutely no morality in deciding to be weaker than you have to be. If you are eaten by a predator when you had the option not to be eaten, you're not some high-minded righteous peace-lover, you're simply dead.

by tastyface 15 minutes ago

This directly contradicts most religions, which the people with the biggest weapons somehow claim to follow.

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