Classic GitHub issue thread: Someone shows up and tries to explain it’s not a bug and never could have worked. Everyone else points out that it does work on other Mac hardware. Person doubles down and tries to claim that the bug was that it ever worked, and not working is the correct behavior. New Mac OS beta release fixes the bug and makes it work. Nothing related to the repo was changed.
I loved the last comment where he inferred no one knew the difference between a MAC address and a Mac computer, meanwhile he's fundamentally misunderstanding how networking works and making bizarre statements about wifi that literally everyone disagreed with him on. I bet he's still insisting he was right even though it's all fixed now because he doesn't get how VM network bridging works.
This is a standard way to form bridges in WiFi networks and does not require any ARP proxying. In practise this requires certain OS/driver/firmware/chipset combinations to work though.
remember how there used to be people whose lifestyle was answering Stack Overflow questions? 3 years from now we're going to be looking at charts showing engagement from GitHub Lifestyle people going straight down too.
Unfortunately most consumers put up with it, instead of handling it like shoes, returning them to the shop for a refund, or if surviving the explosion, a lawsuit.
As much as it pains me to toss shoes every year, I much prefer the light, flexible construction of disposable shoes to the heavy rigidity of made-to-last ones.
Shoes are one of those things where you get what you pay for.
Unfortunately, not everyone has access to quality shoes, either for reasons of money or geography.
I was given a pair of really nice shoes once. They've lasted me almost 20 years because I live in a large city where I can stop at a shoe shine stand every few weeks, and also have them re-soled as they wear.
Most people buy plastic junk from Amazon because they don't know better.
See also: People who work in offices, but still carry around a massive backpack like they're in sixth grade.
I wonder how much of the "shoes used to last longer" thing is down to individuals getting older and heavier over time. Also time perception changes with age. It's probably still true, though.
- 30 years ago, you couldn't buy sports shoes (sneakers, runners, tennis shoes, court boots, whatever) that have only a foam midsole, no hard rubber outsole of any kind. A very light, foamy type of running shoe called a "race flat" did exist, but you had to go to a specialist store to find that. Without an outsole, EVA foam wears down fast. Stay away from these shoes unless you're looking to use them as bedroom slippers; always look for an outsole. If the shoe is not for a specific sport, look for trail runners, which have more outsole coverage on the bottom, often an uninterrupted one piece outsole.
- Most shoes today that look like they have a thick sole are actually hollow. If you peel off the layers of insoles, you see that the outsole is "ice cube tray" shell with voids. When the thin bottom of this tray wears through, they leak water. It just has to wear through in one spot, like the very back of the heel, and it's done as far as resisting water, and when it wears some more, rock can actually push up into the voids. All this can happen well under a year. I distinctly remember growing up with shoes that were solid, heel to toe.
Analogy kind of falls apart when you consumers are willing to put up with quite a lot to save a buck. They happily build their own furniture for example.
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Classic GitHub issue thread: Someone shows up and tries to explain it’s not a bug and never could have worked. Everyone else points out that it does work on other Mac hardware. Person doubles down and tries to claim that the bug was that it ever worked, and not working is the correct behavior. New Mac OS beta release fixes the bug and makes it work. Nothing related to the repo was changed.
I loved the last comment where he inferred no one knew the difference between a MAC address and a Mac computer, meanwhile he's fundamentally misunderstanding how networking works and making bizarre statements about wifi that literally everyone disagreed with him on. I bet he's still insisting he was right even though it's all fixed now because he doesn't get how VM network bridging works.
Also classic, someone finally jumping in with a full and insightful explanation. What a turnaround!
So, are they gonna add official support for this in the wifi standard someday? It sounds like the way that this works is a non-standard workaround
You might be looking for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_distribution_system
This is a standard way to form bridges in WiFi networks and does not require any ARP proxying. In practise this requires certain OS/driver/firmware/chipset combinations to work though.
> the bug was that it ever worked
https://xkcd.com/1172/
This is actually what’s interesting
remember how there used to be people whose lifestyle was answering Stack Overflow questions? 3 years from now we're going to be looking at charts showing engagement from GitHub Lifestyle people going straight down too.
Like that probably still open huge github issue with hundreds of comments, the one about how docker will blow your firewall wide open.
I couldn't get bridged networking to work with my M5 machine and VMs running on Parallels. This thread here would seem to indicate it's a known issue (with no updates or resolution :/ ) - https://forum.parallels.com/threads/m5-macbook-air-windows-1...
The OP has a thing that solves it for many: update to a beta version.
The linked Github also states that updating to 26.6 works.
I love when things work out in the end!
(issue is fixed in the latest MacOS 26 and 27 betas)
The M5 Pro and M5 Max support Wi-Fi 7 and Bluetooth 6 via Apple's N1 wireless networking chip, while the base M5 supports Wi-Fi 6E and Bluetooth 5.3.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_M5
That's super weird.
Remember, if shoes were like software, they would explode while you're trying to tie the laces, because the first of the month landed on a Tuesday.
Unfortunately most consumers put up with it, instead of handling it like shoes, returning them to the shop for a refund, or if surviving the explosion, a lawsuit.
Shoes today are garbage that wears through within half a year; consumers are accepting it and coming back for more.
As much as it pains me to toss shoes every year, I much prefer the light, flexible construction of disposable shoes to the heavy rigidity of made-to-last ones.
Buy better shoes. Quit buying Allbirds and Hey Dudes
You are so right.
Shoes are one of those things where you get what you pay for.
Unfortunately, not everyone has access to quality shoes, either for reasons of money or geography.
I was given a pair of really nice shoes once. They've lasted me almost 20 years because I live in a large city where I can stop at a shoe shine stand every few weeks, and also have them re-soled as they wear.
Most people buy plastic junk from Amazon because they don't know better.
See also: People who work in offices, but still carry around a massive backpack like they're in sixth grade.
Depends, not everyone buys on street bazaar, and usually most that put up with low quality is because they sadly cannot afford any better.
I wonder how much of the "shoes used to last longer" thing is down to individuals getting older and heavier over time. Also time perception changes with age. It's probably still true, though.
Two real, major issues:
- 30 years ago, you couldn't buy sports shoes (sneakers, runners, tennis shoes, court boots, whatever) that have only a foam midsole, no hard rubber outsole of any kind. A very light, foamy type of running shoe called a "race flat" did exist, but you had to go to a specialist store to find that. Without an outsole, EVA foam wears down fast. Stay away from these shoes unless you're looking to use them as bedroom slippers; always look for an outsole. If the shoe is not for a specific sport, look for trail runners, which have more outsole coverage on the bottom, often an uninterrupted one piece outsole.
- Most shoes today that look like they have a thick sole are actually hollow. If you peel off the layers of insoles, you see that the outsole is "ice cube tray" shell with voids. When the thin bottom of this tray wears through, they leak water. It just has to wear through in one spot, like the very back of the heel, and it's done as far as resisting water, and when it wears some more, rock can actually push up into the voids. All this can happen well under a year. I distinctly remember growing up with shoes that were solid, heel to toe.
Half of a year is getting awfully close to the timeline of a many return policies, and most people do like saving money. Just saying...
The Samuel Vimes Boot theory of economic unfairness comes to mind.
Oh wow, it has it's own wikipedia page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boots_theory
Too bad they don't give Nobels for literature posthumously.
That single paragraph could win it.
Well ... maybe I'm biased ...
Analogy kind of falls apart when you consumers are willing to put up with quite a lot to save a buck. They happily build their own furniture for example.
Only a subset of them.
Don't try to do professional work on consumer hardware ...
What kind of, ahem, "non consumer hardware" should I buy to run a virtual machine?
A 15 year old Thinkpad is the HN approved machine for Serious Work.
I only recently passed my good old T420s down the generation and switched to T14 Gen 2, the one that still has S3 ACPI Sleep Mode.
RIP S3 sleep. You'll be missed.
There was a good article here yesterday on Colossus.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49012309
Beer->hold()
https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/codebase
What hardware do you think Apple uses to build their "professional" software on?
you say that while I'm pretty sure the macbooks are the most popular laptop platform for developing software?