How would you know whether an ancient culture had zero? (johndcook.com)

41 points by ibobev 4 days ago

14 comments:

by lisp2240 3 hours ago

Zero has two roles: as a positional placeholder and as a cardinal value (nothingness or net-zero). This only addresses the former.

by j16sdiz 3 hours ago

Afaict, most ancient civization have conception of "nothingness" or "emptiness". The dispute is often whether they consider it as a number or not

by philipov 13 minutes ago

We have both. Zero and Null are different data types.

by gmuslera 5 hours ago

Looks like translating a positional numbering system from ancient cultures than ruling out or not if they had the concept of zero. It may be a single use symbol, here is nothing, instead of being part of bigger amounts. Numbering systems doesn't have to be positional (nor go too far).

by whatsThisBtn4 4 hours ago

Gosh I love Wittgenstein for this.

I highly recommend suffering through both early and late Wittgenstein (only wrote 2 books and essentially invented one of the 3 branches of philosophy).

Expect to only understand 10% of what he says, but that is normal.

Separately, pragmatism by William James is an easy 4 hour read and you can have 2/3 of the branches of meta philosophy.

by conartist6 2 hours ago

What I wonder is: why has nobody noticed that code editors lack a concept of 0?

When you're writing code, you can express any concept except that of an unfilled hole. We've rearranged every part of the coding process in a twisted-up way, all for the lack of a way to express lack.

If you want to be more clear about what I mean, look to tools which can express holes like https://scratch.mit.edu and https://hazel.org. They give the feeling of letting things snap together like lego bricks. Indeed, lego bricks themselves function because of the negative space (the holes) in them!

by mungoman2 18 minutes ago

This could be interesting but too vague for me to understand what you mean. Could it be explained more clearly, or link some blog entry?

by conartist6 5 minutes ago

Yeah, I will. I'm being a bit coy because I already have a very specific solution in mind which would be a lot like Scratch, but unifying those ideas with syntax. It should be fully ready to share quite soon.

by dosisking 13 minutes ago

Like Madlibs?

by onestay42 2 hours ago

How about an `extern` variable in C?

by conartist6 2 hours ago

A million variations exist. I'm looking for a programming-language-agnostic concept. The closest you'll find are templating languages like Handlebars

by skew-aberration an hour ago

Delimited continuations? Though I'm not totally clear what you're asking for. Semantics or syntax?

by conartist6 7 minutes ago

Syntax

by thaumasiotes 33 minutes ago

> If you knew somehow that some symbol corresponds to 20, then you’d know they didn’t use base 20 because base b doesn’t have a single symbol for b.

Well, this is plainly false.

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