A Remote Employee Refused 160 Webcam Photos a Day. Her Employer Fired Her (inc.com)

48 points by bhrlady an hour ago

20 comments:

by da_chicken 16 minutes ago

This strikes me as an attempt to renege on employment agreements to allow WFH. I'd bet it's either to do soft layoffs, or get people back in the office to justify real estate.

She's got annual positive reviews 8 years running, and has been with the company for over a decade.

The question that really cuts to the chase is: Why does it require a photograph of the employee's face every 3 minutes in order to determine if they're completing their work? Why does that make any sense at all? What exactly is the employee doing that there are no metrics at all. There's nobody monitoring work loads or task completion? Nobody is checking for accuracy? There are no clients or customers or community members complaining about poor service? How were they able to determine positive reviews for almost a decade before? Why is your management so incompetent, and why is the price of that incompetence your employee's privacy?

by ebbi 5 minutes ago

It feels like the Covid lockdown WFH times where managers mandated everyone has their webcams on. Having been in some of these management conversations, it was purely to ensure no one is just chilling on their bed.

Pretty dumb, as at that time not everyone was had a home office set up, and one can work from their bed perfectly fine, especially when someone wants to put their feet up for a bit during a team meeting.

by firefoxd 23 minutes ago

Once I had an issue where I had to request access to a 3rd party vendor URL from my work machine. IT was telling me that I already had access, and that I had accessed the URL several times. Weird, because I was getting a dns resolve error. To prove that he wasn't making it up, the IT guy shared his screen with me.

Ever since I saw his screen and the level of details in my activity log on the work machine, I don't even access example.com on their device anymore.

I'm sure this workers already has invasive tracking software on her work machines. Now the company was just trying to fire her without it counting as a layoff.

by flowerlad 14 minutes ago

> Ever since I saw his screen and the level of details in my activity log on the work machine

Is that using Zscaler? What level of detail did it have?

by firefoxd 8 minutes ago

Yes, we use zscaler. It even included the list of AI prompts I've written and in-app activities.

by MiroslavPokorny 21 minutes ago

You should never use a work computer for anything personal from banking to even reading wikipedia. Its just dumb.

by teaearlgraycold 12 minutes ago

Good advice. But most work computers I’ve used were handed to me fresh from the Apple Store and they requested I wipe them before returning at the end of my employment. Not everyone works in places with an IT department, device management systems, etc.

by doublerabbit 16 minutes ago

I followed this advice when I worked for Morgan Stanley.

When I discovered they were watching me real time, I made my session so boring and repetitive that they then filed a concern to my manager that I was to busy researching second hand servers on ebay then doing work.

I was waiting for the red tape to be cut so I could get additional permission to run my script.

I've done the bank circuit and never doing it again. Even for the money.

by jacquesm 28 minutes ago

That is an insanely bad look for that employer. This kind of invasive employee monitoring is treating people like property rather than as human beings. The problem is that the power dynamic between employers and employees in many countries is such that they can make the most outrageous demands and people will have to comply because there is always another person ready to step into their shoes.

by giantg2 22 minutes ago

"This kind of invasive employee monitoring is treating people like property rather than as human beings."

Exposing employment for what it is.

by quantified 13 minutes ago

For that employer, it's going to be normal, and employees won't be looking. In the USA, managment dictates all terms of employment, take it or leave it.

by wg0 5 minutes ago

This should be illegal by law. Judge the performance by the outcome.

by thomasjeff1 3 minutes ago

Bring it on, as a programmer im savvy enough to fight it by blocking their IP addresses.

by BigTTYGothGF a minute ago

Not savvy enough to realize that's also gonna get you fired.

by macintux 27 minutes ago

I wonder how many employer-provided laptops are secretly recording video or audio for WFH staff. You can tape over a webcam, but what do you do about a microphone you don't trust?

by kylecazar a minute ago

Most of my employers have sent me brand new, in the box machines. They don't require I install anything and let me be the admin. Is this rare? Perhaps a feature of working with startups.

by mcsniff 5 minutes ago

Shut your work devices off at the end of the work day.

Your work-specific WiFi network can also be shut off at the same time.

Devices go in a sleeve or drawer in your desk, which is usually in a separate room.

You can also close the door.

If you need more work and personal life separation than this, you might need a new job.

by jacquesm 11 minutes ago

The problem with microphones is that unlike cameras they are absolutely impossible to detect. And then there are all these devices that look and act like another thing but they're also microphones. Microphony is so pervasive that it is harder to make something that does not record soundwaves than it is to make something that does.

by tough 11 minutes ago

white noise?

by variety8675 24 minutes ago

Friendly reminder that Macbooks hardware disable the internal microphone if the lid is shut. https://support.apple.com/guide/security/hardware-microphone...

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