Running a bootstrapped SaaS for 20 years with my brother (blog.zamzar.com)

193 points by whyleyc 2 days ago

45 comments:

by ano-ther 5 hours ago

Congrats!

Would you consider a pay-as-you go option, perhaps with a deposit?

Right now, I won't subscribe for $12 per month (or $25 for API). But I have some use for both the interactive and API conversions and am happy to pay per conversion, so a pre-paid version (like OpenRouter) would be great.

by chanux 2 hours ago

Wow I have used this a long time ago and happy to find the origin story on HN.

Great job and thanks!

by theanonymousone 10 hours ago

Really happy for you. It's my dream to run such a business for so long, as a side, with a real user base, and not for money.

by CalRobert 10 hours ago

How is it a business if not for money?

by theanonymousone 8 hours ago

Let's say money as a proxy for "being non-trivial" or worth enough for someone to pay for. I don't know how else this can be signalled.

"Side" in the sense that my main income coming from somewhere else, aka my "normal" job

by j45 3 hours ago

Time isn’t money, money is time.

Money that doesn’t need to be spent is freedom of time.

by andsoitis an hour ago

Money is valuable partly because it can buy time, but time is valuable independently of money.

by throwaway83772 9 hours ago

I interpreted it as "enough to live a comfortable life".

Money is part of how you get there, but it is not a goal in itself. Many start businesses where money is the main goal, and where the amount that you are satisfied with inevitably shifts once you get richer

by teiferer 9 hours ago

Considering that their cheapest pricing is $12 (per month, 1 month minimum) and they claim 550 million users, either they made tons of riches or the numbers are to be questioned. I leave it to you to estimate which is more likely.

by andai 9 hours ago

I don't think that means paid users.

They also have a paid API.

by weird-eye-issue 6 hours ago

Is this your first time encountering a freemium business model?

by j45 3 hours ago

Doubt worshipping finds ways to not find a way to make something happen. Just because one person can’t see it doesn’t mean it’s not possible.

by kubbity 10 hours ago

Hi. Congratulations and thanks; it just happened that today I needed an .mp3 to .txt conversion and used your site. Nice to see it here now. All the best!

by timcobb 9 hours ago

> I needed an .mp3 to .txt conversion

?

by guydoom 9 hours ago

Also known as transcription, I suppose.

by andai 9 hours ago

Does it give you the tabs?

by guydoom 3 hours ago

Only speech transcription, probably.

by voidmain0001 6 hours ago

Their web page provides a list of ‘convert mp3 to’ formats

https://www.zamzar.com/converters/audio/mp3/

by walrus01 8 hours ago

Is it bad that taking a look at the homepage: https://www.zamzar.com/

My first thought was "imagine the astonishing amount of private documents and PII you could collect and store if you ran something like this for free as a honeypot". People just blithely uploading any document from their personal data to convert to another format.

And if I would have to guess it's less technical users who aren't going to try something like opening a document in the latest Libreoffice (or gimp, etc) and then exporting it to another format, using local software on their computer, first.

by oxedom 6 hours ago

I know for a fact that these honeypots exist.

by j45 3 hours ago

Yet some people still use them.

Why don’t you create an alternative?

by sevenzero 7 hours ago

Well this is what people do with AI. Uploading their whole life with no second thought. But surely we can trust big tech, right?

by hn_submit 4 hours ago

Are you guys using CGI-BIN or some other technology?

by andai 9 hours ago

I use this all the time, especially for epub to pdf.

Tried doing it with pandoc and the result was similar but less good. (I like it when the result is more good.)

It's amazing how many formats they support. It's kind of strange that this isn't built into the computer, though. Without Zamzar, the computer still lives in the pre-Babelfish era...

by piker 10 hours ago

How has revenue changed during the AI period? Are you guys able to maintain or grow with the rise of coding agents?

[edit: what’s with the downvotes? I love the story and am curious if Claude etc have affected their business.]

by f311a 10 hours ago

I’m pretty sure more than 90 percent of their audience never heard of Claude.

They are regular users, not developers.

by FearNotDaniel 9 hours ago

Respectfully, it sounds as if your assumptions about the market for LLM/Agent tools is out of date by a long way. I don’t have any stats but it’s easy to observe that Claude, Gemini, ChatGPT et al are aggressively marketing their products to non developer business users, and pretty much everyone I know who is non technical has heard of at least one of those and uses it regularly in their work.

by adastra22 7 hours ago

They said Claude. I'm pretty sure most normies have never heard of Claude. ChatGPT, yes. It's shortened to just "chat" now. But most people have no idea what Claude is.

by andsoitis an hour ago

ChatGPT can also convert between files.

by martyvis 5 hours ago

Claude etc have been on mainstream national news here in Australia multiple time in the last few months

by Jtarii 6 hours ago

>I don’t have any stats

ok.

by embedding-shape 4 hours ago

> pretty much everyone I know who is non technical has heard of at least one of those and uses it regularly in their work

Rather than using this as your world-view, I think you should take this as a signal to expand the current bubble you live in. I'm guessing most of these people you refer to as "non technical" are still white-collar workers or similar?

Most people in the world, even with all the marketing towards "non developer business users", has never heard of "Claude", "Gemini", "Grok" or anything else LLM-adjacent like that, but will have some light understanding of "ChatGPT", and might actually be using some AI service via their phone or whatever, but still call that "ChatGPT" as that's essentially synonymous with "AI" in common parlance.

by j45 3 hours ago

Only a tiny amount of people use ai this productively or know its possible

by gosen 8 hours ago

Great and very motivating story, thank you for that!

by teiferer 10 hours ago

Always glad to see success stories. But some stuff does not check out.

> Over 550 million people have used Zamzar since launch,

There are 8.3 billion people on earth. You are saying that about 1 in 42 have used your service? I had never heard of it and I don't know anybody who had. And that's a sample that should be biased in your favor. Sorry, does not pass the smell test.

Or maybe they were not unique visitors, containing duplicates? How many? This makes me skeptical of the remaining statistics on the page.

> converting over 766 million files. We now process over 1 million API requests per day.

1 million per day now and 766 million over 20 years? At the current rate you'd achieve that in about 2 years. This would indicate a rapid growth in the last couple years or even just months. It is unclear why that would be reasonable. Especially since you'd probably have emphasized this explosion more if your service was essentially dormant for 19 years and just recently went through the roof. (Sth like "how we handled 100x growth of our SaaS business over 3 months")

After these two data points I stopped reading. Something doesn't feel right.

by sakjur 9 hours ago

Each file should be represented by at least three API requests, one to upload the file, one or more to check whether it's done, and one to download it. Together with the other calls of their API, I'd guess a files-to-API request ratio in the order of 1:10 rather than 1:1.

by throwaway83772 9 hours ago

Looking at their website they support file uploads and API. They probably count those separately.

The numbers make sense to me, because I assume an API is used for high volume processing by other businesses and manual upload of files is done by individuals

They may have been inaccurate in their description, but that's what happens when regular people write articles and not scientists, engineers or LLM

by MiscIdeaMaker99 9 hours ago

Who cares?

by txtlog 9 hours ago

Maybe because it smells like self promotion? Anyway, good work if it's actually true

by stevoski 3 hours ago

It’s a website for a commercial product. Of course it is self-promotion! How could it possibly not be so?

by teiferer 9 hours ago

You don't care whether an article that ends up on HN front page contains legit information?

by beaker52 5 hours ago

Judging by the nature of the site (file conversion) and comments — has HN been invaded by bots here?

by keyle 4 hours ago

It is a little over the top and something is off with some of these accounts. Maybe there is a market to get yourself pushed to the front page of HN for money?

by Group_B 2 hours ago

Yeah this one looks very boted. Not typical HN comments at all

Data from: Hacker News, provided by Hacker News (unofficial) API